Not sure if collapse is in the future or is a thing of the past, as rule of thumb we can observe a collapse of fertility rate and disposable household disposable income from 1960 to 1990 (mined trough World Bank) and kept stable after. Economy seems otherwise but is interesting to correct it by inflation to understand that we are in a "Middle Age", we never got back to sheer production of WW2, and we only stabilized after the end of the Cold War. After the fall of URSS we have a shift from production to finance with a long series of boom-burst phases but no real improvements of general living standards and probably a fall of them because of a combo of delocalization of production and bloating of the workforce by immigration: without a real shift in production financial margins can be obtained only mining expenses, wadges is the first to be compressed (immigration, "reserve army of labor", NAIRU....) but after to keep a growth in margins we must look at other factors like pollution, regulation and like.
Between 1990 and 2000 the "West" have keep running cannibalizing the Soviets and the Asian Tigers, by 2008 we are only visualizing the limit of the financial illusion and the effect of lockdowns only gave people time to realize that are in a Red Queen's Race.
As a side note, a lot of our actual pollution is because we are running a financial world, factory go where labor is cheap, polluting is allowed and rules are lax so we have people surviving on crappy food that must be mass-produced (more factories) using every method (monoculture with associated hi fertilizer and pesticide use) in poorly built houses (cheap concrete, coal stoves etch) working in factories that dump in air, soil and water (look at pictures of pollution in Asian cities) all kept in check by corrupted governing bodies organized to maximize gains of selected individuals.
why does per espen stoknes think human population collapse will not happen before 2030 and on a video on youtube randers does not think we will collapse this century at all and the report global warming in the pipeline james hansen from nasa stated there is fossil fuels enough to power civilization until the end of the century and earthforeverybody the too little too late scenario human population grows to 2050 and we use both renewable energy and fossil fuels according to the authors ?
For the possibility of mass suicide encouraged by the authorities, see the current madness of Canada's euthanasia program, which goes far beyond the assisted dying of those in the terminal stages of illness.
but when will the collapse of human population occur the limits to growth bau curve is 2030 and world 3 recalibration shows als 2030 so it must be correct then ?
Not sure if collapse is in the future or is a thing of the past, as rule of thumb we can observe a collapse of fertility rate and disposable household disposable income from 1960 to 1990 (mined trough World Bank) and kept stable after. Economy seems otherwise but is interesting to correct it by inflation to understand that we are in a "Middle Age", we never got back to sheer production of WW2, and we only stabilized after the end of the Cold War. After the fall of URSS we have a shift from production to finance with a long series of boom-burst phases but no real improvements of general living standards and probably a fall of them because of a combo of delocalization of production and bloating of the workforce by immigration: without a real shift in production financial margins can be obtained only mining expenses, wadges is the first to be compressed (immigration, "reserve army of labor", NAIRU....) but after to keep a growth in margins we must look at other factors like pollution, regulation and like.
Between 1990 and 2000 the "West" have keep running cannibalizing the Soviets and the Asian Tigers, by 2008 we are only visualizing the limit of the financial illusion and the effect of lockdowns only gave people time to realize that are in a Red Queen's Race.
As a side note, a lot of our actual pollution is because we are running a financial world, factory go where labor is cheap, polluting is allowed and rules are lax so we have people surviving on crappy food that must be mass-produced (more factories) using every method (monoculture with associated hi fertilizer and pesticide use) in poorly built houses (cheap concrete, coal stoves etch) working in factories that dump in air, soil and water (look at pictures of pollution in Asian cities) all kept in check by corrupted governing bodies organized to maximize gains of selected individuals.
why does per espen stoknes think human population collapse will not happen before 2030 and on a video on youtube randers does not think we will collapse this century at all and the report global warming in the pipeline james hansen from nasa stated there is fossil fuels enough to power civilization until the end of the century and earthforeverybody the too little too late scenario human population grows to 2050 and we use both renewable energy and fossil fuels according to the authors ?
For the possibility of mass suicide encouraged by the authorities, see the current madness of Canada's euthanasia program, which goes far beyond the assisted dying of those in the terminal stages of illness.
but when will the collapse of human population occur the limits to growth bau curve is 2030 and world 3 recalibration shows als 2030 so it must be correct then ?
meaning that population collapse will not happen because gaia kicking us out the system is the last thing ?