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Alternative Lives R Available's avatar

I think you may be missing some fundamental facts and differences about the European Union (EU). I agree the EU is a bloated, inefficient and massively expensive carbuncle sitting on top of the Europe of nation-states, although it has brought huge benefits to its members so far, such as EU wide standards and open markets within the group. I suspect it will decline as economies retrench, starting with an end to the Schengen free movement of people across internal borders, and a shift to a more military role as Europe invests more in its own security.

But you are missing the point that a collapse of the EU would actually change little for most of the countries in it, because they ARE nation states, and, where the EU laws are enacted, they are adopted at nation state level, so the beneficial ones would simply continue as before.

So now we need to look at the states themselves.

Germany, for example, is in deep trouble because it was reliant on cheap energy from Russia and closed its nuclear power stations before it had invested enough in renewables to compensate. It now has a collapse of energy production and high energy prices, so a collapse in manufacturing and of inward investment, and a collapse in faith in the failed and weak government. It will take it at least a decade to recover, if ever.

By contrast, France has an electricity supply from nuclear 70% and hydro 15% and the rest was fossils, now being replaced by wind and solar. It produces excess energy and sells it to its neighbours, it produces a net excess of food and sells that abroad as high value produce too. And it has had an industrial self sufficiency mantra since De Gaulle was President post WW2. It even has one of the biggest start-up hubs in the world, Station F in Paris, that no-one seems to have heard of.

What I'm saying here is that the differences in each country in the EU mean that the EU issues will have much more granular effects than you suggest. Unlike America, for example, where a collapse in the federal structure would wipe out the finances of all the States that are so dependant of federal funding and administrations, a collapse in the EU would have far less impact.

In fact Americans are likely to find out next year just what a 30% cut in Federal government spending will mean in Their State, city, town, neighbourhood, and family. If ever there was a situation of complexity collapsing.........

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Agatha Englebert's avatar

A little more fact and a little less opinion would be helpful here. There is just too much falsehoods and misconstrued statements that I won’t go into too many. One: EU’s so-called bloated bureaucracy. The EU Commission has 50.000 civil servants working for 27 countries. That is about the same size as the civil service for the city of London, only for London not the UK government.

Found online “ Westminister has the largest single number of civil servants working in it, with a headcount of 47,430 (or 10.6% of the whole UK Civil Service). The rest of London is home to a further 41,670 civil servants, meaning 89,100 civil servants in total work in the capital (20.0% of the whole UK Civil Service)”.

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