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It seems the expressions "climate change" and "the problem is climate change" have taken over and obfuscated the understanding of the actual predicament, which is growth> overshoot> collapse; an accelerating phase civilization and nature are currently experiencing, peaking by around 2050* -- of which climate change is but one (albeit serious) symptom. *Ref: the "Limits to Growth" MIT study -See "Recalibration of limits to growth: An update of the World3 model (13 Nov 2023) https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdfdirect/10.1111/jiec.13442 . Thus this is to suggest that everyone associated with the (brilliant) Seneca Effect narrative, endeavor to deemphasize "climate change" as 'the problem;' instead helping readers focus on the broader and more relevant and truthful growth> overshoot> collapse predicament.

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Civilization is currently well into accelerating, irreversible overshoot and collapse relative to declining resources/carrying capacity/biocapacity. We/civilization are the primary cause of -and witness to- the Sixth Extinction (aka the Anthropocene). We are close to the peak of the Seneca Cliff. Roughly 190 thousand people (net) are added to the population every day. Tipped tipping points such as the melting Greenland ice sheet and Antarctic ice sheet are beyond the ability of Homo sapiens --with any manner of technologies-- to slow or reverse. Nuclear war/nuclear winter is increasingly likely (Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, et al). It is contrary to the laws of biology/physics/ecology to have infinite growth on a finite planet. Per Footprint Analysis and other studies, Earth's declining biocapacity might (optimistically) sustainably and equitably support (i.e., at a Western European middle class lifestyle) around 500 million to one billion-or-so people--not the 8+ billion inequitably supported at present--thus the overshoot by a factor of 8-9 and increasing. Thus logically our focus should be more on adapting to -and striving for- resilience during and following this collapse, rather than trying to 'prevent it.' The preceding is why I respectfully disagree with the notion put forth by Eclipse, of "...solving climate change and feeding the human race sustainably for as long as there is an earth!" In addition, I believe the categorization of people as either 'pessimists' or 'optimists' is not helpful nor accurate, especially when science-based and empirical facts such as those mentioned above, speak for themselves. Ugo Bardi has written and lectured extensively about all of the above and much more, but the Seneca cliff condenses it all, and that is where we are. (Grazie Ugo) In addition to Ugo's books, recommended reading on this topic: "Overshoot—An Ecological Basis for Revolutionary Change" (Catton, 1980): https://www.resilience.org/stories/2015-02-15/william-catton-s-warning/" (W. Catton, 1982); "Deep Adaptation: A Map for Navigating Climate Tragedy" (J Bendell, 2020): https://www.lifeworth.com/deepadaptation.pdf; and videos: "Hopium: Detox and Recovery" (M. Dowd, 2021): YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib33HTadXdU

"Overshoot in a Nutshell--Understanding Our Predicament:" (M. Dowd, 2021): YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPMPINPcrdk; "Collapse in a Nutshell: Understanding Our Predicament" (M. Dowd, 2021) YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6FcNgOHYoo

(There is much more of course, but one needs to be willing and able to navigate through lots of greenwashing, obfuscation, and mis/dis-information, including by checking with others.)

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