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Peace2051's avatar

Ugo, this past week I read about the Nipah virus outbreak in India that has 75% mortality, much worse than Ebola. Luckily it doesn't spread easily. If it morphed into being easily transmissible would you then accept that it would be a government's Responsibility to have mandatory vaccinations? My experience is quite different than most people's as my entire family was heavily vaccinated against multiple diseases as a prerequisite to traveling to the Middle East when my father secured a USAID job in the 1960s. As a government employee he wasn't asked which debilitating disease he wanted to protect his children from, rather the immunization regime was part of the job assignment. I will predict the next pandemic (it is certain to come as history shows) there will be many needless deaths because the science of immunology has strangely become politicized. It's not just the foolish who will suffer from this.

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I wonder if what has been lost is not trust in science, but rather trust in its gatekeepers.

There is a strange contradiction here. Why would the powers-that-be wish to destroy trust in Science, while at the same time they are striving to replace democracy with a managerial state, technocracy, oligarchy, etc.? Without public confidence that this would-be Clerisy is acting according to a reliable Science, who would grant it decision-making power? Their legitimacy depends on it.

An issue with these surveys is that “skepticism” is a binary term. You yourself write: “People…changed their mind from trust in science to complete disbelief.” That span covers a lot of ground. Do all survey participants interpret that question identically? I myself don’t know how I would answer those survey questions, since my beliefs lie somewhere in the middle of that range. I am a skeptic on certain parts of these issues, but accept other parts. Do we label everyone that doesn't embrace the Covid or AGW “narrative” 100% a "skeptic", a “denier”?

I think suppression of debate in any way affects opinion in more ways than one. For example, I myself tend to discount any argument that is unable to hold its own in public discourse without silencing or at least denigrating the opposition with propaganda arguments and sleazy ad-hominems.

Despite the fact that the primary theme of your post is an examination of confidence in science, I see that a few “Covidians” have felt the need to weigh in angrily once again about their favorite subject, and have learned nothing since 2020 (about either Science or Covid) despite all the revelations that have surfaced since its beginning. Their shrillness is a perfect illustration of the failure to appreciate the essence of Science, which, simply put, is debate. When debate ends (either by mutual consent or by force/censorship), Science is no longer taking place.

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