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Lukas Fierz's avatar

One problem with the "Limits of Growth" report is the illustration you show above: It predicts a resource depletion during this century. Because this has not happened the two leading Swiss journals (Tages-Anzeiger, Neue Zürcher Zeitung) and the big German journal WELT stated recently that the report has now been falsified and is not anymore valid.

However the text of the report - in contrast to the illustration - says that new resources will be found and therefore resource depletion will not be critical in the nearer term. At the same time it maintains that pollution will be the limiting factor (mentioning also CO2) and that population will begin to decline in this century. These original predictions are still correct: Endocrine disruption by chemical pollution already impairs human and animal reproduction while climate change, droughts, food and water scarcity and violence will kill millions if not billions.

We were deeply impressed by the "Limits to growth" report and when the established political parties did not react we founded the Swiss Greens in 1983. The media ridiculed us as well meaning or dangerous sectarians. I was in the national parliament at the time and by 1990 I came to realise that our effect was zero and the game already lost. ¨

As a reaction with some physicians we founded a salon orchestra playing the historic salon music which was played on the sinking Titanic and in the concentration camps during arrivals and gassings. We played in many historic Swiss hotels to much success - a desperate, covert and funny form of protest - a selection of recordings is here: The late and world famous penicillin researcher Prof. Klaus Neftel at the first violin, me at the cello: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpJ-U9tiD2o&list=PLqWzBqQokFVkj_j8GEq35SToQ5Iiw5526&index=2)

A generation later we have to ask: What does matter now? Even if we go full electric and net zero CO2 the warming will accelerate for decades and centuries and more than the IPCC admits, carbon capture is as ineffective as Hitlers "Wunderwaffen", chemical pollution will go on and forever chemicals are there forever anyway. Perhaps rats will survive or the bacteria that can live in boiling water, as long as there is water left.

I am a "green" of the first hour but in this sense I think that "Green politics" is just a fraud. To be honest it really does not matter if we go vegan or behave like Trump and we may enjoy life as we can.

Of course I would be glad if anyone could prove me the contrary.

David Packer's avatar

So, what's the solution? That's the response I have consistently heard when discussing the two subjects with well educated people. With the use of fossil fuels, the industrialized world has been able to solve almost every major problem for most people since World War 2. It's all most people alive today know or have experienced. Hurricane Harvey caused massive flooding in the Houston, Texas area several years ago. If only Tibetans shared in American know-how and greatness, a massive remediation effort would already be underway. In this respect, the limits to growth (and energy supplies) and the psychology of climate change are linked, and as long as the part of the world that "matters" can remediate climate issues with everything from air conditioning to levees to energy-thirsty helicopters and heavy machinery, most people will wait for "solutions" rather than seek underlying causes. As Ugo points out, some people profit from climate disasters. Even the aura of a solution, such as the Tesla, makes some people very rich.

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