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Lukas Fierz's avatar

To elaborate on the madness of European leaders: Remember that the Ukraine war is really about its joining NATO, announced 2008 in Bucarest. This was Bushs US-cowboy politics to expand their hegemonic system to the other side of the globe into the heartland of Russia. Two US-ambassadors in Moscow (Kennan, Burns) clearly warned against these plans and Putin already then declared openly that this would put Ukraines existence into question and that he would annex Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. Nobody listened and now we have a proxy war (consider that after WW2 with 30 mio deliberately killed slaws - much more than the holocaust - no Russian leader can afford to tolerate Germany in Ukraine, not even in the sheepskin of NATO).

As Ugo pointed out the natural interest of Europeans would be to cooperate with Russia to secure their food resources. But even now, when Trump has backed out, they prefer to continue the US-cowboy project at their own cost, rearm and even seriously talk about general war, actions which put into question not only their economy but their existence.

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Barry Carter's avatar

We are all going to die horribly, either quickly vaporised by thermonuclear weapons or slowly if still alive uninjured but fighting for survival in darkening world. But if not death by thermonuclear means, then most likely for those below the age of 45 by the poly and meta crisis as humanity enters the bottleneck of the great simplification the result of ecological overshoot. Want a peek into what that bottleneck might look like then check out Kurt Dahl’s book “An American Famine - (subtitle) A Rosetta Stone for the coming collapse”, the opening quotation by Thomas Hobbes should be one to remember “Hell is the truth seen too late”, it’s said biblically that the meek shall inherit the earth” but the question is would they🤔

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