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All very academic and nicely presented. As a background, I briefly looked at Limits to Growth in 1972 and dismissed it as the System protecting itself by misdirection and "kicking the can down the road." At the time, it also drained social energy from us environmentalists who were working on solutions "on the ground." These solutions did NOT need more computer models. They just needed more actual work fixing problems directly (or managed outcomes if you buy the false dichotomy of problems vs predicaments). In point of fact, we STILL don't need more accurate computer models of the problem/predicament. We need REAL reduction in demand of fossil fuels and more rational and sane ways to grow food and build houses and repair infrastructure and the like.

As for the actual modeling, the Deviations section mentions a couple of fails, 1) " . . . does not include renewable energies. Although renewable energy plants can be considered part of industrial goods, this is inaccurate." and 2) "And it does not provide for the service life of structures."

1) B - The Honest Sorcerer (popular Substack site) has repeatedly pointed out that renewables are not really renewable because of the diesel energy needed to make them and maintain them. Nate Hagens, Richard Heinberg and John Michael Greer have been pointing this out for years too. So including them in industrial goods is okay. What I worry about is the common dodge of excluding the cost of EVs and electricity, as if electricity grows on trees and is free energy. It is not.

2) If you do not take into account the "service life of structures," you do not take into account embedded energy (or embodied energy if you are a Howard Odum fan). If you do not take into account embedded energy, any set of solutions will not even comprehend the value of driving a 20-year-old Honda which had its embedded energy accounted for in the first 10-years of its life. There are many, many people who drive 20-year-old cars (Citroen and Renault in our case) precisely BECAUSE they no longer have an embedded energy footprint, being past the 10-year cutoff. We really do NOT need any more new buildings or cars or diesel tractors or computers even.

As for optimizing variables, this is a real minefield and can be easily manipulated for whatever reasons the authors deem important. (One of the ways sponsors buy the results they want.)

Local Differences is an important qualifier, BUT if you really investigate how things change from region to region, it really does negate the whole idea of consistency. This last point also fits into the idea that computer modeling is a crap concept. And I am not the first one to think of this. For instance, if you want to use one-way analysis of variance (ANOVA), you can do the equations with a pencil and paper without needing a computer at all. You cannot say that about Principal Components Analysis (PCA) or other multivariate methods. And as for learning a programming language like Python, why bother? We already know what to do.

As I say, this article gives some credibility to the basic ideas we have known since 1970. But does it help us to grow food using much lower inputs? Nope. Does this new model promote the idea of not buying ANY new cars ever again? Nope. Does this new model have any value at all beyond providing a living for a few researchers in their cushy chairs at the lab and expounding at their next TED Talks? Not really. It would be better if the researchers took their grant money and gave it to the peasants in the hills of Tuscany so they could grow more olives with hand labor.

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Such a fascinating overview! Past energy use seems to have doubled every 30 years or so as it is 400% what it was when I entered high school in 1965 according to Figure 13. I'm thrilled to be departing before the worst of the Ecological Overshoot Unraveling, Ugo. Thanks for all your efforts to help people have a clear-eyed understanding of our prospects.

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